For those that care...(Miami related)

[Biggin]

Yep, but you were right for all the wrong reasons. Where I'm from, that's called talking out of your ass and getting lucky with the result. Had Gruden not made an outrageous demand that likely would have made a lot of schools walk away from negotiations, you'd be eating a crapload of crow, instead of the small amount that you should be eating for being right by luck and not by logic.

yeah, whatever. thats a ****load of words to say I was right. is it possible im wrong because of a different reason? sure, thats likely. I dont assume im 100% correct on any situation that I dont have first hand knowledge of.

I have not read anything about Gruden's brother. Thats not been mentioned anywhere else, but we know its true because your sources are concrete, 100% proof.

All true, no disagreements there. Don't forget to point out that they still finished 5th in the SEC West, and that's in a really good 8-4 year. They're going to have to wait on a swoon by LSU/Arky/Bama/Auburn in order to ever sniff the SEC Title game.

Yeah, and three years ago Miss State was a laughingstock and non-contender. Mullen has just been there two seasons now, its a lil early to count out Miss State. You mention Ark. Why? That only proves my point. Look where they were 4 years ago and now. Bama has not always been elite lately and will have down years, as will LSU. Hell LSU was TERRIBLE for years, what makes you so sure they wont be back down soon? South Carolina won the SEC East this year. That alone proves my point. And if you can win your division in the SEC, you can compete for a national title.

Our fanbase is small, but raucous. There may only be a few of us there, but you know we're there. I'd wager that you've never been to a game Miami's played in in-person, so you wouldn't know that--when on the other hand, I have been, and I've seen it.

Ah great, another backhanded, passive aggressive insult. If your fanbase was so devoted and raucous, they would sell out the stadium instead of it being 3/4th empty.

I'd be somewhat willing to wager that Mullen wouldn't mind recruiting down in S. Florida with the brand recognition of a Miami instead of fighting in the same geographical area as Ole Miss, LSU, Auburn, Bama, and Arkansas--being the small fish in the big pond. Not to mention that Miss St would have to get really **** good in recruiting and player development to ever have a shot to win the SEC West. Even then, it'd take a bunch of luck for them to make it out of the West to the SEC Championship.

Yeah, and have to compete with every major school in the nation to get recruits. Its not like Miami builds a fence around the bottom end of the state to keep everybody out. He is gonna have to fight Bama, LSU, etc... PLUS FSU (better shape than Miami), Florida (better shape than Miami), S. Florida (who just beat Miami), etc....
And that last part is just bull****. South Carolina WON the East this year. Explain that. And the state of Mississippi produces more NFL players per capita than any other state.

I also think it all depends on if he has any aspirations for an NFL job down the road. I have a feeling he'd get a look much quicker if he came to Miami and wins (where he has a legit shot to become a dominant ACC and national program) as opposed to being an also-ran in the SEC West year-in/year-out...which realistically, is as good as it's ever going to get for that program. With the right guy at the helm, Miss St can do what they did this past year, possibly get lucky and win 10 games. With the right guy at the helm, Miami can be a perennial BCS bowl program with 10-12 wins and compete for national titles. Which would you take if you're looking to make your bones to get to the NFL...or hell, even if you're looking to win national titles. If you could make a cogent argument for Miss St being easier to win a national title at than Miami, then I'd bow down and give you props--but the simple fact is that you can't.

You are right, its much easier to win a title in the ACC because they are a lower class football conference right now. Its been almost 10 years since an ACC school competed for a national title, why would it change so fast? Miami has NEVER competed for an ACC title, much less the National Title. and as Ive posted three times now, Mississippi State is on teh upswing, their state produces more NFL talent per capita than even Florida, etc... Its hilarious to assume that a school with a devoted fanbase, great talent pool, a good coach, a good conference, and great facilities cant compete for a title. Oregon was an also-ran a few years ago; I guess they can never be title contenders.

I knew you'd take this line of reasoning with regards to Mullen. News flash bub--just because it's an SEC job doesn't mean it's better than a job elsewhere, and that includes Miami...especially Miami. Save the SEC snobbery for some other program.

Jesus, you are the biggest girl on this forum. You cant handle someone putting it out there that RIGHT NOW, Miss. State might be as good if not in better shape than Miami. its not about the SEC, its about MISS. STATE and MIAMI.

News flash--Miss. State won more ballgames than Miami this year, sells out its stadium EVERY home game Miss. State is currently ranked higher than Miami on Rivals rankings, and they are in the most prestigious conference in the nation.
Everbody knows the advantages of coaching at Miami, great local talent and a tradition of greatness. but that tradition is only 30 years old. Its not Notre Dame or USC. Who's to say that Mullen couldnt bring Miss. State to that level? Miss. State has been a sleeping giants for years.

So save your whiney inferiority complex about the SEC for some other poster.
I never once said MSU was a better job because they were in the SEC. I listed why its a great job right now, yet you still get defensive and insult me, and the SEC.

[CoeburnCane]

I never insulted the SEC. You on the other hand...

[1inStripes]

Everything I am seeing states that Hocutt and Gruden met, and discussed the job, but no offers were made. At least according to Hocutt.

I would go all in on Mullen if I was Miami. Possibly keeping his DC, Diaz as an option, or even seeing if you could drag Charlie Strong away from L'ville. Mike Leach would be very interesting there, just to see what happens, but I don't see it happening. With his offenses, he would have to pull QBs from outside the state of FL, which wouldn't be hard to do.

[gcdevil22]

without making a new thread about it...Bud Foster has expressed interest in the Vanderbilt head coaching opening

[1inStripes]

Also Malzahn should be in the discussion.

Any chance Miami might be peaking an interest into a former Cane QB who has a bunch of 10 win seasons under his belt as a HC?

[hoard]

Miami should seriously consider Leach simply because his offense will help put fans in the seats.

I don't care for Miami but they are at a disadvantage when it comes to fan support. It's a relatively small school (in terms of FBS at least) and a large percentage of the alumni lives outside of Florida.

It's easy to brag about how great your fanbase is when your state school enrollment is 25k+ and cranks out 2x-3x the # of grads Miami does.

This being the case, of course Miami is going to have a disproportionate share of "casual" fans. Call them fair weather or whatever, but in order to draw those people to games, you have to win..or at the very least be entertaining.

[1inStripes]

without making a new thread about it...Bud Foster has expressed interest in the Vanderbilt head coaching opening

That surprises me. Especially if Bud got a great deal to stay D Coordinator last year at VT when Vandy isn't going to be a pay raise more than likely.

[VOL61]

Foster is making a mistake if he would accept that job. I know he may want to be a head coach. But Vandy is one the toughest jobs out there. The facilities are awful, you have to compete in the toughest conference in the country, plus you have academic requirments hurting you in recruiting. No win job.....

As far as the Miami thing. Miami to me is clearly a better job than Miss. St. but maybe because I remember what Miami used to be. The recruiting base is the best in the country. I think Mullen would win big at Miami. I think Malzhan would win at Miami. To me I would go after Pelini at Nebraska. If not Bo then Carl. Those guys are great coaches. JMO....

[Biggin]

Vandy is a terrible job, Foster has other options than going there and setting a goal of winning five games or making a bowl as the ultimate goal. Foster needs to get his now tho, he has stayed loyal to Beamer for too long. He should have taken a job a couple years ago.


a lower level OC/DC should take the Vandy job, im hearing that Navy OC might be the next Vandy coach.

[The_Sage]

Gruden says again, he?s committed to ESPN
By TIM REYNOLDS, AP Sports Writer
Dec 2, 2:48 pm EST


ShareretweetEmailPrintCORAL GABLES, Fla. (AP)?Jon Gruden apologized Thursday for widespread speculation about his candidacy to be Miami?s next football coach, and said he?s willing to help the Hurricanes find the right person for the job.

The former Super Bowl-winning coach and current ESPN analyst reiterated his commitment to ?Monday Night Football? for the second time this week, and the network repeated that it expects Gruden to at least complete his contract, which runs through 2011.

Gruden had talks with Miami throughout the week about replacing fired coach Randy Shannon, and a person familiar with the talks told The Associated Press on Sunday that Gruden was presented with ?parameters? of a contract within 24 hours of Shannon?s dismissal. Gruden met face-to-face with Hurricanes athletic director Kirby Hocutt on Wednesday.


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?I?d just like to say I?m committed to ESPN,? Gruden said on a conference call. ?There?s not a lot to add. I?m very thankful to have the job that I have and I?m eager to try to get better at it. And I know there was a lot of speculation over the last few days, and for that, I?m sorry. I?m just excited to be with ?Monday Night Football.??

Gruden won a Super Bowl with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and also has coached the Oakland Raiders. He began working as an analyst for ESPN in 2009.

Despite reports that circulated earlier in the week that Miami was in final negotiations with Gruden and nearing a deal, he said Thursday ?there was never anything really serious about this.?

Hocutt was in his Miami office on Thursday, and no hiring of a new coach was imminent. Hocutt has not responded to requests for comment, and said he would not discuss the search process until Miami?s next coach is named.

There?s at least a half-dozen other serious candidates on the Hurricanes? list, and the university wants to have a hire in place in time for a major recruiting weekend that begins Dec. 10.

Shannon was fired Saturday after the Hurricanes completed a 7-5 regular season with an overtime loss to South Florida. He was 28-22 in parts of four seasons, without an Atlantic Coast Conference title or bowl victory.

Offensive line coach Jeff Stoutland will be the interim head coach for Miami?s postseason appearance, expected to be the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas. Sun Bowl officials were meeting Thursday to move closer toward extending formal invitations to the game.

Gruden said he?s enjoying his role as an analyst, especially watching NFL games?instead of coaching them?on Sundays.

?That?s one of the most enjoyable times of my week,? Gruden said. ?Coverage is getting better. You can watch four games at once. You can flip from one channel to the other. I mean, it?s just amazing the kind of coverage you can get and the information access is incredible.?

Not only is Gruden under contract to ESPN through 2011, his contract with the Buccaneers?which paid an estimated $5 million annually, far more than Miami has ever paid a football coach?stretches through the end of that season as well.

?I?m a big fan. I want the Hurricanes to do well,? Gruden said.